3 comments on ““Only if we play by my rules…”

  1. i agree wholeheartedly with everything you’ve said in that post, aside from one thing. luckily, judism hasn’t that much of a grip on the lives of the people in israel. 20% of the population is arab, and they don’t have to play by the rules of judism, they get to choose between their community and relligion rules, or the general democratic system. they have their own public education system in arabic to send their children too, or they can go to the general hebrew one. they can marry and devorce on sharia courts, or on the democratic courts, etc. (all minorities has this, like the druze, the Circassians, the christian arabs, the ultra orthodox jews etc).

    your atheist neigbor from the east,
    or.

    • It is no secret that the whole conflict in this region exists because of religion and that both factions (Israel and Palestine) are religious, the only reason Israel came into being is religion. There are also many Jews who think that “from the Euphrates to the Nile” is their promised land, rightfully theirs by will of god and think that they’re better than everyone else. There are many ways to peacefully end the conflict but because of religion either side wants all or nothing with no chance for compromise or reach a solution.

      Israel is defined as a Jewish and democratic state in its Basic Laws and is the world’s only Jewish-majority state.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel


      • the only party that said “from the Euphrates to the Nile” was outlawd, and the more moderate and popular party, that doesn’t even say that, but that the post 1967 borders should be kept and the local arabs sent to jordan, has only about 5% with no real chance of rising over that…

        the israeli side isn’t that religious, the faction that started israel were hardcore anti-relligious seculars. the fact that this conflict is a “holy war” is now beyond doubt, but it is a one sided holy war. 65% of jews are secular, and 20% are atheist.

        sure, the declaration of independence say that israel is “jewish and democratic”, but “jewish” isn’t only reffering to religion, but also to ethnicity and nationality, and the majority actually views this as parallel to saying “french and democratic”, or “egyptian and democratic”…

        i would also like to correct you about the reason for israel, Hertzel, the man who first imagined a jewish state first said the answer to the “jewish problem” is that all jews become christians and dissolve into the countries they lived in, but even jews who did that were treated like garbage, so he started the idea of a jewish state. there were several locations for the said state, including uganda, but israel was ellected at the end by the secular committy, because of the jewish residents and historical connections(also the british refused the uganda deal).
        the man and women who than bought land and errected the towns and kibutz’s were secular.
        hhttp://petsnews.co.il/upload/416bcf10-9ced-478d-8570-86a1ab1885e9/OBRRHMQMKUrchl%20018.jpg
        (as you can see, everyone was wearing shorts, even women)
        the than existing town’s people educated the relligious to become secular by force, including cutting the pe’as of religious folks.
        only in the latr 70’s the religious started to have a small influance.

        also about the “not wishing to end the conflict” part, three for the last prime ministers were from the left, meaning that they were ellected to bring a peace accord. 3 were brought, none of them lasted.

        its time to be freed of misconceptions, that the media gives it viewers.

        your friendly neigbor,
        or.

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